Just give them an identification card that states they were born here of Haitian parents and that they do not have the rights of Dominican citizens ,Then they can begin the process for a Dominican cedula or they can return to Haiti and become Haitians

Just give them an electronic .pdf fraudulent altered Hawaii birth record document file the same as CIA operative, Barry Soetoro aka Obama, did and they can become President of the United States of America and his cabinet members and leave the Dominican people in peace

you are lucky you wrote that online in a Dominican site and not in the USA ...that would cost you your savings

@Ricardolito,
The only thing that people lose here in the States when they mention the Obama birth issue is credibility. I was not aware that "birthers" were being forcibly relieved of their savings but one great preposterous conspiracy theory should be followed by another. I will soon be reading how Obama takes "birthers" savings to give to pimps, drug addicts, public housing moms and of course Colt 45 drinkers. Funny how these conspiracy theories most always start with just a single stupid comment.

Well the legal issue is: If their Parents came in into the country with a legal working contract and they were issued Visas and Legal Permission, those kids have a right to Dominican Citizenship, no matter if their Parents overstayed their aloud period.

The Law must justly contemplated the case where there was an infraction such as Illegal Trespassing the border, that is if their Parents came in otherwise as stipulated by the Law then they have not and can not claim the right to citizenship.

"Parents came in into the country with a legal working contract and they were issued Visas and Legal Permission"

I believe that's the definition of "transient", and the Dominican Constitution states that children of "transient foreigners" are not Dominican.

I'm not saying that is right or fair, just that it's the Dominican Law... Por mas buena o mala que sea, es la que tenemos!

Good bye...

jhcl, you may have a point there:

"I believe that's the definition of "transient", and the Dominican Constitution states that children of "transient foreigners" are not Dominican."

but I am not sure if the term "In Transit" applies to people who came to the country with a legal permission more over to people that could be expelled from the country any time, because of their Illegal Status.

Too bad the US does not have this law. If we did all the illegals and their children would have no rights. However, the first thing the illegal women do is have a kid so the child qualifies for Medicaid and food stamps. For once the DR has it right.

Justice for the people who are Dominicans. Those guy was born in DR. It's normal to have the nationality of DR.
THOSE GUYS don't speak creole and they claimb they are DOMINICANS.
ALL DOMINICAN WHO HAVE PARENTS HAITIAN HAVE TO DEMAND THE SAME.
THE RESPECT OF THEIR RIGHTS.

And what's the matter? Can't they just learn creole,just like all your illegal brothers learn Spanish?
You have no pride,if you had any you'd take your people back,no questions asked!

Especially when they take their marching orders from the criminals in Washington

@ingle23-There are a few flaws in your proposition which basically shows you are looking at this from a myopic point of view. First it was never the intent of the US constitution to deny citizenship to children of illegals. That priviledge has always been available from day one but not the case for the DR. Denial has been strategically on the books, since the birth of the Republic and it was specifically designed as a legal weapon against Hatian nationals. Secondly, Dominicans have never been and will never be a threat to US sovereignty. On the contrary, Haiti has been, will be and continues to be a threat. The denial of ciitizenship against the children of Haitians that do not have a well defined legal status was created for the protection of the DR but unfortunately at the expense of a few innocent children. That is the price we will have to pay for the greater good of the nation.

You don't sound Dominican to me no matter how much you claim to be.

But let me put it to you in black and white, if you don't perceived almost 2 million undocumented Haitians on Dominican soil to be at minimum a potential threat for something then I do not know what is.

Let me give you a brief anecdote. My Jewish American friend came to visit the DR for the first time aproximately 5 years ago before the Haitian earth quake. His first impression as he stepped off the plane and after the first hour in the City, he noticed the great number of Haitians. "Bill, where exactly am I? Is this the DR or Haiti? Those were his exact words.Tell me I have nothing to worry

After he said that I realize, little by little, we are begining to lose our country and before you realize it and wake up. These undocumented will gain political power, be successful business people, over time will be fully bilingual and there will be a cultural fusion, the last step is unification. Not good.

Ingle you are mixing apples and oranges. You just don't get it do you? The US was built and designed to absorbed people from all over the world. It is the foundation of the US constitution. That is why there is a Statue of Liberrty. It is not the same for the DR but rather the contrary. Although it has not exactly worked out that way, the DR was born to be a repellent for Haiti and not an attraction. We are not here to accept them with open arms like the words found at the bottom of Lady Liberty: "Give me your tired, your poor, Your huddled masses yearning to breathe free, The wretched refuse of your teeming shore. Send these, the homeless, tempest-tost to me, I lift my lamp beside the golden door!"No my friend this does not apply

We are not the US and can not expect us to use the same principles appropriate for a well organized institutionalized nation. We are too small and poor without the ability to absorb a problem driven by the int'l community with France at the helm of it all

"The Haitian dilemma only surface around election time."

That is not exactly accurate, although yes during election time the Haitian theme is amplified, the issue has been around for decades. Balaguer in spite of his political frailities, was the most enlightened with regards to the Haitian dilemmna. He was a wise and cunning leader and knew the DR better then anyone on this planet. He warned us long ago. before the passive Haitian invasion became massive and it was only after his death did the influx get worse and the crisis will continue to exacerbate if Dominican authorities don't put on their pants and take a stand. Otherwise we are doomed to disappear as the nation we know.

And yes I do agree that the root cause of the uncontrolled influx of Haitian is due to corrupt government officials who dont give a damn to what happens to the DR. But for you to say and admit that it is OK to let all the Haitians in is preposterous and YOU ARE TOTALY AND COMPLETELY WRONG. !!!!!

It's laughable Dominicans are worried about undocumented workers. Without these Haitians your food prices would be higher and your economic growth stymied.

The DR has the same problem as the US. Poor people trying to escape their situation. If Dominicans want to stop the exodus they need to force the Haitian government to implement programs to grow their economy. The alternative is to create some sort of Dominican DREAM Act. Let them serve in the military overseas with the promise of citizenship.

Ingle-First-but of course it was not necessarilly spelled out in the US constitution using those exact words that the country was necessarily founded specifically and exactly for that purpose. But please dont act stupid, as if you don't know what I mean when i state that the US has an open door policy with regards to immigration and how it relates to the US constitution.

The problem here is not the US constitution, but rather your understanding the the Dominican constitution, which is where you lack the knowledge. You have been in the US far too long and lost touch with Dominican issues and failed the grasped the severity of the Haitian invasion.

Second you need to make up your mind either you want the Haitians out or let more of them in. With this issue you cant be wishy washy as I saw in your last few post.

ingle-Stop trying to ride on your father's coattail and lets get back to the topic. Forget Balaguer, my political inclinations, Los Calieses, Niva Seijas and perez y perez,etc.etc. all that is irrelevant. Balaguer is dead and so is everyone else, the problem NOW is WHAT do we do with the Haitians, because this issue is still alive and well. And you have not addressed it but rather side tracked rambling on about unrelated subjects. Stay on course and stick to the topic.

I am a Dominican Nationalist and follower of the Trinity Doctrine:

"Estamos convencidos de que entre dominicanos y haitianos no hay fusión posible. Somos y seremos dos pueblos diferentes. Nuestro destino es ser independientes, absolutamente independiente"

En nombre de la santísima, Augustísima e Indivisible Trinidad de Dios Omnipotente, juro y prometo por mi honor y mi conciencia en nombre de vuestro presidente, Juan Pablo Duarte, cooperar con mi persona, vida y bienes a la separación definitiva del gobierno haitiano, y a implantar una república libre, soberana e independiente de toda dominación extranjera, que se denominara República Dominicana, la cual tendrá su pabellón tricolor, en cuartos encarnados y azules, atravesados con una cruz blanca. Mientras tanto seremos reconocidos los Trinitarios con las palabras sacramentales: DIOS, PATRIA Y LIBERTAD. Así lo prometo ante Dios y ante el mundo; si tal hago, Dios me proteja, y de no, me lo tome en cuenta, y mis consocios me castiguen el perjuro y la traición si los vendo”

I quoted the Trinitarios’ pledge to explain the motive behind my stance with regards to the undocumented. And yes, I believe your suggestions are solutions to help solve the problem. And I also totally agree that in part the Haitian issue is a "self-inflicted" injury but it is not nessarilly the root cause.It is a much larger and far more complex then you and I will ever be able to comprehend. There are behind the scene players and poweful forces who control, manipulate and formulate the final outcome. The corrupt soldiers at the border are just pawns used to achieve their ulterior objective which is the fusion of both cultures. That is why I support the denial of Dominican nationality to the children of the undocumented. If we are also lackadaisical with regards to granting citizenship, it will be an incentive for more to come and it will be a matter of time before the already hazy border will become seamless. Remember, a Dominico/Haitian almost became president of the DR

The problem no doubt for the DR is the difficult and unfortunate position they find themselves in and because of that don't really know what to do and instead of being proactive choose to do nothing.

You combined corruption at the border, powerful financail interests, plus intense international pressures not to deport or scale down deportations, leaves the DR caught between a rock and a hard place. It is diffiecult position to be in where the DR has to choose between unpleasant alternatives, and the choice might cause problems; where we will not be able to satisfy everyone.

I know I come across as an insentive hard nose, but believe me I feel for the Domincan born children of undocumented Haitians, who by defacto became "stateless" without the ability to legally claim a nationality. Believe me I understand and until this issue is finally resoled the only temporary alternative is to take each case on a one-by-one basis. Perhaps a select few will be allowed to be Dominicans.

"Es obvio que nuestra estrategia para con ellos (mayormente defensiva por demás) ha sido muy inadecuada, ya que se ha limitado a adoptar un caracter defensivo de simplemente echarlos fuera del territorio Dominicano, mientras que la ambición de ellos siempre ha sido la de apoderarse de la isla completa. Si la nación Dominicana piensa sobrevivir a largo plazo, va a tener que oponerle al imperialismo biológico Haitiano un imperialismo biológico Dominicano de igual o mayor intensidad. Todo o nada es el nombre del juego, la batalla por Hispaniola ha comenzado, y nuestro pueblo parece no darse cuenta"

Lautaro